• Members 128 posts
    July 11, 2023, 8:12 a.m.

    Did the brick wall pass or fail?

    Or is further testing required?

  • Members 280 posts
    July 11, 2023, 8:46 a.m.

    If that is a test of somebody's bricklaying skills, I would say that he passed with a good mark.

    Don

  • Members 539 posts
    July 11, 2023, 2:38 p.m.

    Mortar aliasing present, but reasonable.

  • Members 976 posts
    July 11, 2023, 4:17 p.m.

    Good. I would try something like Zig-Align and dial back sharpening a little.

  • Removed user
    July 11, 2023, 5:14 p.m.

    Superb micro-contrast - the mortar only 1 px wide !!

  • Removed user
    July 11, 2023, 5:16 p.m.

    GB? Is that a game?

  • Members 539 posts
    July 11, 2023, 6:36 p.m.

    Very close to 1px The mortar lines vary thickness in a periodic manner, more obvious at 400% than 100% on my screen. Any less than 1 and the under-sampling would show a lot more artifacts, such as the mortar being too dark and brownish, periodically. At 100%, or casually resampling with a proper weighted method, it isn't too bad, but just resampling this a little bit with Nearest Neighbor, and it's artifact city.

    What sensor are we looking at here, and what is the resampling history of the 2.9MP image presented?

  • Members 539 posts
    July 11, 2023, 6:43 p.m.

    With electronic camera displays, it should be possible to have a feature for manual focus that accomplishes this by taking 9 (3x3) small sensor areas and showing them at 100% or 200% on the display. Oh the tragedy, of not having open-source camera functionality.

  • Members 976 posts
    July 11, 2023, 9:43 p.m.

    With some lenses, because of problems like distortions, flat field, lower resolution at corners, improperly aligned mount, etc. the old mirror trick (Zig-Align, Hasselblad's linear mirror) IMHO is still valuable for critical tests and applications.

  • Removed user
    July 11, 2023, 10:08 p.m.

    Good question!

  • Members 655 posts
    July 12, 2023, 12:19 a.m.

    So the photo was taken with the Canon 6D2 + Tamron 35-150 / 2.8 at 50mm f/5.6 1/500 ISO 100. I use PhotoLab 6 for the RAW conversion, using Deep Prime noise filtering at a setting of 10 (out of 100), lens corrections enabled, with no additional sharpening. I then used Topaz Denoise (forget the settings -- varies wildly from photo to photo, but probably something like 15/15 (out of 100) for NR/sharpening. Lastly, I use Arles (doubt anyone here knows of it -- it's old and not supported anymore) to downsample and add the frame (it's at this stage that the EXIF is stripped -- I am not sure if there's a setting that allows me to keep the EXIF intact -- same if I were to use IrfanView, by the way). For the sharpening in the downsampling, I typically use "Hermite" at the lowest setting but sometimes use "Mitchell", either at the lowest setting or one up.

  • Members 655 posts
    July 12, 2023, 12:22 a.m.

    It passed. Further testing, however, is always required. 😉

    Then again, maybe it was just wall paper over a sloppy cement job -- I didn't cross the street to verify. 😁

  • Members 539 posts
    July 12, 2023, 1 p.m.

    So this is a 33.333% downsample? Looks like a possible 3x3 bin.

  • Members 655 posts
    July 12, 2023, 8 p.m.

    Very close -- the fullsize is 5996 pixels wide and the downsampled photo is 2044 pixels wide (not including the frame): 2045 / 5096 = 34.089%. Still might be using a 3x3 bin. Here's a 100% crop:

    crop.png

    crop.png

    PNG, 7.5 MB, uploaded by GreatBustard on July 12, 2023.

  • Removed user
    July 12, 2023, 11:56 p.m.

    Interesting the need for sharpening when down-sampling. Bart van der Wolf warns of possible aliasing caused by just down-sampling:

    kronometric.org/phot/processing/Down%20sampling%20methods.htm

  • Members 1737 posts
    July 13, 2023, 12:52 a.m.

    You never want to sharpen before downsampling. Increases the energy of aliased frequencies. Sharpen afterwards.

  • Members 655 posts
    July 13, 2023, 6 a.m.

    I always process photos for the fullsize, so sharpening is inevitably applied before downsampled for web display.

  • Members 78 posts
    July 13, 2023, 8:46 a.m.

    Many of us apply 'capture' sharpening to our fullsize images. And that's ok as long as only true 'capture' sharpening is applied, say by light deconvolution - and appropriate filtering is performed before/during downsizing. I find that this stuff is a little easier to think about in the frequency domain:

    www.strollswithmydog.com/downsizing-algorithms-effects-on-resolution/

    Jack

  • Members 177 posts
    July 14, 2023, 8:14 a.m.

    Kind of reminds me of brickwork on the exterior or a building.