• Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 2:54 p.m.

    Depends on FastRawViewer settings.
    One can switch off "Exposure adjustments affect OverExposure display" on FastRawViewer Preferences - "Exposure" tab

  • Members 509 posts
    May 15, 2023, 3:22 p.m.

    I've always thought the people you dub "Real Worlders" are not people who distain technicalities or think that learning by doing is always superior, but rather people who realise there is often a gap between theory and practice.

    For example, theory often idealises situations by ignoring inconvenient complications. Or theory yields very precise results that some people get too attached to without taking into account that there is often a lot of slop in the real world. For example, I see little point to obsessing over that last 5%, if your own working practice rarely achieves 50% precision! (Apologies if I've got my precision and accuracy reversed, I can never remember which is which). Extreme technicalities are perhaps important to those working on the bleedin edge but maybe not so much for the more journeyman worker.

    The more extreme characterisation of the anti-science approach probably does exist, but less visibly than the bodge job majority, IMO.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 3:25 p.m.

    Nothing, he did nothing.

    What happened is that Donald didn't switch "Exposure adjustments affect OverExposure display" off, and not to push any agenda, but because he isn't yet familiar with the software.

    FastRawViewer Preferences -> "Exposure" -> "Exposure adjustments affect OverExposure display" on/checked, OE+corr statistics shows the result of hidden Adobe exposure correction applied. As this hidden correction, in this case (camera model / ISO setting), is about +0.35 EV, one has 4.2 K green pixels indicated as clipped before even applying any manual corrections.

  • Members 2294 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:24 p.m.

    Thanks for the explanation. I have pushed back exposure in FRV to - 3ev and still the magenta clipping highlights still show.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:27 p.m.

    Yes, because clipping is present in the raw data, and no amount of lightness change in FastRawViewer, + or -, will change that.

  • Members 521 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:28 p.m.

    Then perhaps that particular raw file was actually clipped in the green channel.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:31 p.m.

    Yes, about 2.1 K green pixels are clipped.

  • Members 2294 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:34 p.m.

    my exposure correction was turned off.

  • Members 2294 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:36 p.m.

    I think i understand now, the OE+corr is adobe default correction for my camera + the actual over exposed pixels.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:37 p.m.

    I know. Above, I explained what happened.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:37 p.m.

    Yes, that's correct.

  • Members 2294 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:40 p.m.

    so its 2.1k + adobe correction = 4.2k ?

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:42 p.m.

    That's right.

  • Members 2294 posts
    May 15, 2023, 7:53 p.m.

    Thank you very much and your patients, it takes a little while to sink in after using the same 2 programs for 15 years and trying to learn something new.

  • Members 976 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:03 p.m.

    I'm very happy we are moving forward.

  • Members 209 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:33 p.m.

    Your enmity of theory [about a 100 posts here alone] does not cease to amaze

  • Members 240 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:43 p.m.

    My contribution has been about balancing science over practical implementation. What’s your contribution and/or objection exactly?

  • Members 240 posts
    May 15, 2023, 8:47 p.m.

    My posts on this thread have been about balancing the science against real world implementation.

    You seem to have a personal beef with that vs folks banging on to the nth degree of pixels blown.

    Fine, carry on 😂