• Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:11 p.m.

    Alan, when it comes to nuances, we should talk about the quality of the screens.
    The question is: do you really have a screen that can display your photos properly?
    It obviously depends on the money you spend.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:16 p.m.

    Sure, the phones can take good pictures.
    But, there are still stark differences.
    With so little sensor and glass, no computer can keep up.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:20 p.m.

    Very good!
    The photo draws me in to take a closer look.
    Well photographed.

  • Nov. 15, 2024, 10:22 p.m.

    Guys, maybe we should not start argument along the lines "this looks better on my screen", sounds somewhat familiar, eh? :)
    It is better to say simply "I suggest to make shadows deeper on this image", if you think so - often choosen 'lightness' may be other user intent or style.

    Sure screens are different, but unless you prepare for printing or are kind of perfectionist (well, we all are in some degree), then this does not matter much. Human eyes are highly adapting devices, we tend to compare all images to another images and if we see that some image is lighter or darker than majority of other images, then these images look different (lighter or darker) on almost any screen.

  • Members 418 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:26 p.m.

    Not even an iPhone, just an old 6MP Samsung SkyRocket shot being kept up very well by my old Dell on my old NEC Multisync:

    kronometric.org/phot/manor/cactus%20pear%20orig.jpg

    Best viewed opened in new Tab.

    So much for blanket statements ... 😉

  • Members 1416 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:30 p.m.

    Are you confusing me with someone else? I rarely say other people's images should have the shadows brightened. Usually I have been defending photos from others where Dan's edits, in my opinion, have over brightened shadows and in so doing often lost depth. Not this week's image from Dan though where I thought it was underexposed. How does the exposure on Dan's panorama this week look to you on your monitor?
    I often find my initial posts to Dprev look too dark when I preview and only look at them at small size. Then later, after posting, when I look at images at full size, they look better. I find the same with other people's images as well as my own. This week, my image didn't look bright enough on preview so I boosted it a bit and reposted without doing a check. I agreed with those who said it was too bright and revisited it.
    I note that you are making the same comment to a number of different images from different participants. Which raises the question of whose monitor is off?
    Or it may be a matter of taste. If you like, we can begin a discussion on what the eye sees when it looks at a scene, what a camera sees when it looks at the same scene (they are quite different) and the decisions made when we turn what the camera has captured into an image. It is likely to be a lengthy chat so if you want to proceed, we might do it elsewhere rather than block up this week's C&C.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:31 p.m.

    Despite the heavy cropping and blurriness, it's a good photo!
    A photo doesn't always have to be technically very good.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:34 p.m.

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    L1000141.jpg

    JPG, 3.7 MB, uploaded by Kumsal on Nov. 15, 2024.

  • Nov. 15, 2024, 10:36 p.m.

    What blurriness? This looks fine (snip of 100% view)

    image.png

    image.png

    PNG, 263.1 KB, uploaded by AlanSh on Nov. 15, 2024.

  • Members 1416 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:38 p.m.

    Agreed. You must have posted this while I was writing my response to Kumsal. If Kumsal wants to have the discussion, I'm happy to take it up and I'd be expanding on similar points to those you have made here. But I don't think this thread is the place to continue. If K wants to proceed, could you initiate a new thread in a more appropriate place. If so, let's do it quickly while the conversation can be conducted civilly in the absence of some potential participants.

  • Members 1416 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:41 p.m.

    Thank you. This snip shows the sky through the slit of open beak that I commented on in my reply to Bryan.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:44 p.m.

    Agreed.
    But if the only criticism is that the shadows should be lightened, then I'll remember it.
    No need to go any further, I'm always in favor of deep shadows because it makes every photo rich in contrast.

  • Members 1416 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:46 p.m.

    In this case, I probably would have said the whole image needed brightening. What you have captured, at least as it looks on my monitor, isn't the way your eye would have seen this scene. If you want to proceed with this discussion, say so and we can look for an appropriate corner of Dprevived to continue. I think it is a discussion worth having.

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:49 p.m.

    Actually, the whole photo is blurry.
    Where can you see the color blue between the beaks?
    Am I colorblind?

  • Nov. 15, 2024, 10:54 p.m.

    Agreed :) Oversharpened and blurry are not mutually exclusive. This does not void image's appeal however.

    Where can you see the color blue between the beaks?

    Magnify image - there is stripe of bluish gray.

    Am I colorblind?

    Unlikely, usual colorblindness can't distinguish between green and red, blues are unaffected ;)

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 10:55 p.m.

    That's what I was talking about.
    The car is perfectly exposed on both my systems, Apple and Microsoft.
    I don't need any more details in the shadows, they are irrelevant.

  • Members 418 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 11 p.m.

    As to Lisbon Street V.2. The camera settings indicate perhaps 1/3 EV overexposure for that scene, according to en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exposure_value I make the Ev 14-2/3 reasonable enough if the aim was to show the shadows mo' better.

    Drifting off a bit, it is bothersome when people confuse the brightness of a processed image with sensor exposure ...

  • Members 351 posts
    Nov. 15, 2024, 11:07 p.m.

    I said:
    Despite the heavy cropping and blurriness, it's a good photo!
    A photo doesn't always have to be technically very good.

    I admit: technically it's a mediocre photo.
    But good nonetheless.