• Members 1737 posts
    April 28, 2023, 8:44 p.m.

    Thus the persistent and erroneous belief that high ISO causes image noise.

  • Members 260 posts
    April 28, 2023, 8:52 p.m.
  • Members 54 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:12 p.m.

    Ah!

    Thanks, Jim!

  • Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:22 p.m.

    In M mode, with fixed exposure (aperture and shutter speed setting), changing ISO adjusts only the image's brightness and has minimal effect on noise.
    In an automatic mode, ISO indicates whether the exposure is low or high. In an automatic mode, higher ISOs indicate low exposure, and low exposure has more noise.
    If you specify the upper Auto-ISO limit in A mode, the camera will attempt to keep the exposure and noise the same by lowering the shutter speed once the ISO limit is reached. Of course, this works only if you have a minimal Auto-ISO shutter speed higher than necessary.

  • Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:30 p.m.

    Yes, and thank you for the answers. However, the intent of my question was, why are you using the upper bound in Auto-ISO?

    It seems that some use the bound to stop the increase in noise. This works in automatic mode if we allow for the shutter speed to go below the minimal setting. However, one should consider that it is easier to remedy noise than motion blur.

  • Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:41 p.m.

    I prefer using the displayed ISO value rather than EVF brightness to judge how weak the exposure is. However, some cameras do not show the actual ISO value until the shutter is half-pressed (Auto-ISO mode).

  • Members 2292 posts
    April 28, 2023, 9:58 p.m.

    yes we agree, i posted some images and got shot down for doing so. lower exposure and iso introduced WB shift as well blotchy shadow noise, if the subject was red even worst so shadowed skin tones would suffer.

  • Members 1737 posts
    April 28, 2023, 10:04 p.m.

    That can happen with some cameras and some raw developers at aggressive pushes. It can usually be fixed with the calibration panel in Lr, but I prefer to avoid the really aggressive pushes.

  • April 28, 2023, 10:19 p.m.

    To be honest, I've had bad experiences with high ISO's in past cameras and it has prejudiced me so I try and keep the ISO as low as I can whilst still able to produce decent photos in low(ish) light.

    The introduction (to me) of IBIS was a godsend - and probably in a camera that doesn't need it for keeping the ISO down (my Fuji X-T5). But it's very hard to break the habit of keeping the ISO low.

    Alan

  • Members 3613 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:32 p.m.

    Here you need to differentiate between amount of noise and visible noise.

    In the scenario you describe the amount of noise will be the same, because the exposure* is the same, but in ISO 6400 shot more of that noise will be visible.

    * exposure - amount of light that struck the sensor per unit area while the shutter was open.

  • Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:36 p.m.

    I assume that both shots will be brought to the same brightness in the post. In this realistic situation, the noise visibility will not differ.

  • Members 1737 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:38 p.m.

    If shooting raw, why should the noise in the ISO 6400 shot be more visible?

  • Members 457 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:41 p.m.

    Because the ISO 6400 is brighter initially and before any adjustments, a purely theoretical argument.

  • Members 1737 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:47 p.m.

    I don't think how much noise there is with default development settings is relevant.

  • Members 140 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:50 p.m.

    For sure that’s unusable! Duh! Your shutter speed was so slow that the animal died and rotted before the exposure finished.

    In sincerity, the white balance looks off to me. I’d need to look at it very critically to know if it would be suitable for putting on the museum’s website or annual report. I’d generally say it’s not quite usable for such a purpose.

  • Members 677 posts
    April 28, 2023, 11:55 p.m.

    Have you seen actual colors or you just have a gut feeling?

  • Members 3613 posts
    April 29, 2023, 2:50 a.m.

    I totally agree with you.

    When photographing action, especially in changing light, I set max ISO to the max value in the native ISO range. I don't see any point in setting it lower than that.

    I set aperture priority mode and then the largest aperture (smallest f-number) that will give my DOF. I then set the minimum shutter speed setting to be the minimum shutter speed that will meet my motion blur constraints and then Auto ISO. In this configuration, if at base ISO the camera wants to set a slower shutter speed than my minimum, the camera will set the minimum shutter speed and raise ISO to suit. If at base ISO the camera determines there will be highlight clipping at the minimum shutter speed, then the camera maintains base ISO and sets a faster shutter speed to avoid highlight clipping.

  • Members 3613 posts
    April 29, 2023, 3:12 a.m.

    I am thinking of the scenario where someone for whatever reason chose to first set ISO at 1600 and then realised the image was too dark. They then set ISO to 6400 and the image lightness is now ok but more of the noise will now be visible.